in my opinion its not just kids that have changed from years gone by but in general things have changed people arent living in communities anymore where people talk to others etc well most people arent attitudes have changed i think and i think its easy to point at the kids that are following the wrong path etc and not looking at the kids that do achieve good.

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you're despicable!!!

And to add further to my post chopper some yobs are from families with a good back ground that have had disipline and still turn out that way i think its a lot to do with peer pressure and the people thay hang around with not just the parents and a disipline prob also when these yobs are hauled up in front of the court if indeed the law bothers to they get off with such piddly sentences that it doesnt give the right message

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you're despicable!!!

Why should we not go out to work?

should I not have had my gorgeous kids because we couldn't survive on my hubby's wages! my kids are well loved and well looked after - they haven't had a bad life!!!

Laura has been with her childminder since she was 7 months old! she loves Julie and Julie loves her

why should I have missed out - I have worked full time for the same bank for almost 21 years -

are you saying I'm an irresponsible parent???

FG, why does a mother have to stay home and look after the children? why cant she work? or why cant the father stay home and look after the kids while the mother goes to work?

Being a mum full time until school age? I certainly didnt spend 3 years in college, 4 years at university, get myself an excellent career only to want kids and be told i have to stay home. I can and will have kids and so what if my mum or childcare looks after my children while I am out at work? I will be paying, unlike your statement saying that some people expect children to be paid for by the state.

You are living in the dark ages FG, and this isnt an attact on you as im so sure youre aware. ;-)

I work very good shifts where im given a hell of a lot of time off, i arent going to throw my career away, the same as i will bring my children up, my mum or nurseries wont bring up my children, i will, but me being at work doesnt suggest otherwise. I think it is good for children to see that mummies and daddies go to work.

as your kids NEEDING a good smack, you have to be kidding me.

My mum and dad worked all throughout my upbringing. I went to my grannies after school after id been to my house to get my dog for us both to go to my grannies. So i suppose I was a latch key kid hey. It hasnt done me any harm. My parents have brought me up to the very highest standards. However most of my friends mothers stayed home, and you know what, my mates all had kids in their teens, no intentions of working, because their parents didnt.

In your post Lors you answered just as i would of expexted.
you said my career my job my university training.

You could re-write your post and said what about ME ME ME.

Thats the legacy of Thatcherism,put yourself before your kids and what might just be best for them.

Whats going to happen when the kids are 12-14,will they still go to the childminder.
Or will they roam the streets and hang about outside the local shops until you get home from work ?

There are so few young mums nowadays that would give up there working independence for the sake of there children.

Its called having your cake and eating it.

We are talking children here not handbags ?
The family unit as it used to be is falling apart.

CHILDREN 100% FIRST AND ALWAYS.
not just when your not to busy working.

What i am not sure about here is if i am answering to peoples opinions or there conscience.

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that last bit FG, 'what im not sure about here is if i am answering to peoples opinions or their conscience' thats what i thought about in the smacking thread, i noticed that when people said yes i smack my kids they finished by saying, just a tap or just a little one, whats the difference, a smack is a smack

I agree Nita,you either believe in Smacking or not.
You cant do it then say it could be wrong.

The no smacking bill has gone through parliment 4 times in the last 2 years and has been thrown out all 4 times,Tony Blair even said he gives his kids a smack.

They said it is up to the parent to make the final desision,as long as they except the difference between dissipline and abuse.

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i agree with that, im not saying any parent shouldn't smack their kids, thats none of my business at all :grin:

one of my mates used to smack her kids round the head, called it a clip round the ear hole, i said if she did it in front of me again, id give her a clip round the ear hole that sent her flying too

sorry im going on about another debate now arent i oops :lol:

that i would like to have seen nita :lol:

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