Following on from choppers debate on smacking,


I blame Margaret Thatcher !

I always used to vote conservative and did very well from her battle cry of buy property start your own business buy shares ect.

BUT the worse thing she did was to encourage young mothers to go out to work,causing young mums to up there mortgage payments,take extra foreign holidays and just borrow borrow borrow..

I think we now are reaping what we sowed,selfish uncaring yobbish children and young adults whos parents were always to tired to teach them discipline and manners and how to care about and think about others around them.

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They need a good bloody kick in the teeth!!! Well maybe not go that far, but I think its pure and simple they dont have DISCIPLINE!!! They run riot and scared of nothing and no one.

I dont really remember the thatcher days but I remember getting a clip round the ear or a slap on the legs that really did sting , And it did me no harm. Of course I cried at the time and really hated my mum/dad for doing it but I understand now why they did it.

The world has gone crazy a few years ago all you read in the papers were violence by drug users but now all you read about is kids killing /raping/stabbing OTHER KIDS!!!
It seems like the country we live in has been taken over by bloody teenage thugs but what can we do about it????

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I blame the pressure we put our children under for a lot of the problems and the media.

when we were kids (especially those around mine & FGs age) - we enjoyed school at primary level and although we learned a lot we didn't have to worry about those dreaded exams until we took our options at 13

now - they have exams at 7 and 11 - the stress that Alastair is under at the moment in the run up to the year 6 sats is unbelievable!

the media must also take some responsibility for giving kids the ideas in the first place!!! again when I was younger I would have never stood up to an adult or known that another adult could not discipline me or even told me off!

the kids need to learn some respect - they expect and get whatever they want - from gameboys to mp3 players and all the other stuff we didn't have

My parents always taught me to respect others but I tell you my teachers were absolutely awful to me in primary and secondary school. I was as good as gold but I got picked on. My parents ended up taking the teachers to court and we won. Its hard to respect people when they abuse their position.

On the flip side, I was reading about the James Bulger killers and how well they treated in prison. They got mp3 players, playstations, private tuition etc. Some things I know alot of children dont have. Im disgusted that they were released so early and their new life is costing tax payers £1.2 million. Punishment doesnt fit the crime in this country anymore so of course some teenagers are going to cause trouble as what do they get- a useless ASBO and an easy life in a detention centre with regular trips to a leisure centre!

Just my opinion though.

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BUT the worse thing she did was to encourage young mothers to go out to work,causing young mums to up there mortgage payments,take extra foreign holidays and just borrow borrow borrow..
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I dunno. Why is it so bad that women got an opinion, realised that they could go to work, have babies and own their own home?

You cant really blame margaret thatcher for that. I see your point of the borrow borrow borrow philosophy, but thats up to the individual. My and my hubby have the additude of if we cant afford it then we cant have it, other than our morgage, we dont have any debts (student loans dont count!) :roll: theres nothing to stop a woman going out to work, why should she stay at home just because shes got children? people dont need to have holidays, they choose to have them.

I agree that kids nowadays have no respect, but then, when was the last time adults gave them any? Theres a lot of kids out there that do well in school, arent thugs and go on to get good jobs ect, its probably half and half.

The country is being taken over by thugs, murderers, rapists ect, but thats only because the courts, policing ect isnt strong enough. a murderer can get 3 years in jail, a robber a few days, if the sentancing was harsher, say like in america where they shackle them together at the sides of the roads making them do work and shame them then maybe the future robbers and murderers and rapists would think again?

Kids learn from elder generations.

But should you have children if the father cant support them so the mother has to go out to work as well ?
You end up with a generation of ps2 playing pizza eating latch key kids ?

I am talking about being a mum full time until the school years.

I do blame Thatcherism,thats when it all went wrong,when greed took over and lots of parents put themselves before there kids upbringing.

Some parents today feel it is up to the state to look after there kids not them What with day nurseries and after school clubs.

Its like smacking,kids NEED to know were the line is,if they are not reminded from time to time they will rebel.

How often do kids play up all day until you act with a smack,then they seem to say,thanks for that i needed to no you care and are in charge of me,now i feel safe.

Joanne65 is right when she said we put to much pressure on kids now.
Why does everything have to be measured and a form designed for it ?

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you're living in the bloody dark ages you :roll:
i shall say no more as i am a bit peeved at your comments.

Go on Nita say it,I wont be offended,its the debate section and i wont take anything personal.

You go for it ;-)

And i agree my views are very old fashioned :???:

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nah, i wouldnt fit it on the page and i dont want another micko debated thing going on :lol:

I have just backed through the debates to see what thread you where talking about.
Your memory is good,

I notice we have been here before :???:

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