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Old 01-31-2006, 09:19 PM
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My best friends daughter is almost 12 months and so far has had NO vaccinations. Whenever I ask her about it she asks me back "Why do you need to vaccinate?".

My 2 little ones have gotten all necessary vaccinations and I feel much better this way. I can't really explain it. I do not want to risk their future by not getting them vaccinated.

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Old 02-02-2006, 04:55 AM
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I would not risk the health of a baby this way. I am not sure though if all the vaccinations handed out today are really needed.

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Old 04-02-2006, 07:07 PM
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Here’s a link to an interesting article that gives you an idea why there’s some controversy over vaccines -


http://www.mothering.com/guest_editors/quiet_place/134.html

a quote from the author that I found to be very thoughtful:

"Choice is important for many reasons. First, informed consent is a doctrine of US health policy and US jurisprudence. Second, we live in a country in which health care is a business, which makes us simultaneously patients and clients. Third, it has been parent advocacy that has resulted in safer vaccines. Most important, however, is that you choose in order to live peacefully with the outcome of your choice, no matter what it is. Only when your choice is not coerced can you live with the inevitable regrets that come when things do not turn out as you’d hoped they would."
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Old 04-19-2006, 08:03 PM
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Of course is healthcare a business. I hate those people saying its all about money. We would not have such high levels of healthcare coverage and so many sophisticated medicines if it would be for non-profit.

People 150 years ago never got that old because the health system was not sophisticated as it is today. They might have had different kind of illnesses though. I know my baby will be vaccinated. I could not live with not vaccinating and then something happens.

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Old 04-20-2006, 10:07 AM
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I could not live with not vaccinating and then something happens.

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What is it you think might happen?

In reality, human beings will get 1 disease at a time. Vaccinations inject 3-6 diseases into a small child/infant and then we wonder why America has such a high infant mortality rate.

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I would rather my children get a disease naturally than to inject neurotoxins, fetal cells, animal DNA, formaldehyde, etc. into their bodies.

Read any literature or even ask your doctor, a healthy person exposed to disease will have little or NO symptoms.

The best prevention against disease is to not get it in the first place. For example, the Hep B shot given to newborns. What newborn is going to be having sex or sharing needles???

I am not okay with injecting anyone with Hepititis B. I would hope others will learn the truth and decide against such things, also.
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Old 05-31-2006, 06:18 PM
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I am against VACS, as I am proof they make bodies worse for some people. My children will not be VAC unless needed at the time.
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:37 PM
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Just, at least look surprized when your kid is crippled with polio of coughs himself/herself to death with Whooping Cough.

Why do people put others at risk over some BS they read in 'People'?
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Old 02-15-2009, 09:36 AM
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It's an unfounded assumption that parents who have chosen not to vax are ignorant or are just following a fad. The parents I know who delay or decline vaxes have gone far beyond following advice given by the popular media - they've talked to doctors, tracked down actual CDC reports, read research papers published in reputable journals, have a deeper understanding of how the immune system and vaccines work than the average parent, and have given a lot of thought and soul searching to the decision.

It is also a myth that unvaccinated individuals will be sick with every disease that comes down the pike. What would you expect an unvaccinated child to grow up as? Frail, beaten down by all the scary diseases they got? How about a hale and hearty sixty-something year old who does physical labor on her ranch every day and rarely even gets a common cold? I know such a woman, I never knew until last year that when she was a child in the forties/fifties, her mother refused to vaccinate her. Despite decades of being exposed to both natural and vaccine-shed viruses, this woman has not contracted any of them, or if she has, it has been so mild as to go unnoticed.

My own pediatrician - educated here in the US - admits that the polio vaccine is basically unnecessary - and that most cases of polio present with the same symptoms as a common cold, not a crippling disease. He claims there hasn't been a case of polio diagnosed in the US since the mid 80's and CDC info backs this up.

I've also known parents who dealt with whooping cough - not only in their children but themselves as an adult. It is surely unpleasant, but not a deadly disease in the vast majority of cases, just like the cold isn't deadly to most people.

The level of fear circulating about these once - common childhood illnesses is completely out of proportion to their reality.

I respect a parent's choice either way, it's a tough choice if you look into it beyond the surface propoganda - but I hate to see people making decisions out of fear rather than actual knowledge.


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Old 02-15-2009, 12:31 PM
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Hi,

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My own pediatrician - educated here in the US - admits that the polio vaccine is basically unnecessary - and that most cases of polio present with the same symptoms as a common cold, not a crippling disease. He claims there hasn't been a case of polio diagnosed in the US since the mid 80's and CDC info backs this up.
True there hasn't been a Polio Diagnosed in US since mis 80's ... But how are you so sure we can't get one in near future when a lot of people on developing countries are still struggling to control the virus. The Virus is still out there and until we have removed it completely we can't be so sure to put our babies at risk.

Polio Cases



We would not require no vaccinations once we move to a perfect world ... or in a virtual quarantine .


World Health Organization - Global Polio Eradication Initiative


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Old 02-18-2009, 11:29 AM
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It's an unfounded assumption that parents who have chosen not to vax are ignorant or are just following a fad. The parents I know who delay or decline vaxes have gone far beyond following advice given by the popular media - they've talked to doctors, tracked down actual CDC reports, read research papers published in reputable journals, have a deeper understanding of how the immune system and vaccines work than the average parent, and have given a lot of thought and soul searching to the decision.
Uhhh, they're extremely ignorant. They hear people like Jenny McCarthy scream "Vaccinations cause Autism" and because they REALLY don't know a whole lot about it, choose to believe the pop culture. There is no reputable physician who is going to tell you not to vaccinate your kid. (Too easy to get sued when the kid DOES catch something)
They are the very definition of ignorant. All the sadder because their foolishness affects somebody else.

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It is also a myth that unvaccinated individuals will be sick with every disease that comes down the pike.
I don't think anyone's ever said that. But your chances of CATCHING something are a WHOLE LOT GREATER if you leave yourself defenseless.


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How about a hale and hearty sixty-something year old who does physical labor on her ranch every day and rarely even gets a common cold? I know such a woman, I never knew until last year that when she was a child in the forties/fifties, her mother refused to vaccinate her. Despite decades of being exposed to both natural and vaccine-shed viruses, this woman has not contracted any of them, or if she has, it has been so mild as to go unnoticed.
Isn't this sort of anecdotal evidence the sort of thing YOU SAID people don't pay attention to in your first paragraph? EVERYBODY'S got a story to support just about any wild claim. I'll bet you've got somebody who "would have died if they HAD worn a seat belt".
I'm am thrilled this lady has such a robust immune system. Good for her. But not all of us are so blessed. For the rest of us, there are vaccinations.

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My own pediatrician - educated here in the US - admits that the polio vaccine is basically unnecessary - and that most cases of polio present with the same symptoms as a common cold, not a crippling disease. He claims there hasn't been a case of polio diagnosed in the US since the mid 80's and CDC info backs this up.
But did he SAY not to get the vaccination? If he did, he's a idiot. Tell him I said so.

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I've also known parents who dealt with whooping cough - not only in their children but themselves as an adult. It is surely unpleasant, but not a deadly disease in the vast majority of cases, just like the cold isn't deadly to most people.
Worldwide, there are 30–50 million pertussis cases and about 300,000 deaths per year. That's 300,000 babies that didn't have to die. Tell THEM it "isn't deadly".

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The level of fear circulating about these once - common childhood illnesses is completely out of proportion to their reality.
I respect a parent's choice either way, it's a tough choice if you look into it beyond the surface propoganda - but I hate to see people making decisions out of fear rather than actual knowledge.
Why are we fighting about this? Vaccines are a GOOD thing. They aren't perfect, but they are a WHOLE LOT BETTER than taking your chances without them. You want to see fear? Wait until YOU have to tell a parent that their child is dying and there isn't anything anybody can do about it.

Look, I applaud people for learning all they can about their health care. That is a very good thing. But the only people I hear saying "Don't vaccinate your kids" are pop culture icons who have no medical education whatsoever, but had a bad experience and found some intelligent-sounding factoid to back them up. (Case in point: Jenny McCarthy has a son who is autistic. She heard somewhere that "Vaccinations cause Autism". She also heard that autism has increased dramatically in the past few decades. She put 2 and 2 together....... I guess it has never occurred to her that we are now much better at Diagnosing autism than we were before. Actually, she probably IS aware, but she's already opened her big mouth and can't back down.)

I don't ALWAYS go with the conventional wisdom but this really is a no-brainer. There are lots of nasty diseases out there. Some will make you feel lousy, some really will kill you. Either way, WHY put up with it? GET a shot and you won't have to.

BTW I'm not saying this as a member of the medical profession. I HATE giving shots. Getting vaccinated is just the smart thing to do.
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